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Dragon.Jade a posé la question dans Science & MathematicsMathematics · il y a 7 ans

Tricky math problem if you are bored?

Hello,

DISCLAIMER:

I am not trying to get my homework done. This problem is provided as it is, and I do have the answer. So it is a challenge for anyone. Best answer will be awarded in approximatively two days. Have fun gals and guys!

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Find all the real solutions to:

   (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) = 1

Regards,

Dragon.Jade :-)

Mise à jour:

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Bravo to all the competitors.

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Mise à jour 2:

There were two tricks to this problem.

► The first one was the hidden possibility that 0º could be reached by setting x=3. And that 0º is actually an undefined form.

► The second was that using aⁿ=1 ↔ n.ln(a)=0 would lead solvers to miss all solutions were a<0.

As the answers stand, nobody solved the problem perfectly.

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   (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) = 1

   ln[(x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x)] = 0

Assuming x²–8x+15>0, we can write:

   (x³ – 9x).ln[(x² – 8x + 15) = 0

Mise à jour 3:

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Then either

► x³ – 9x = x(x – 3)(x + 3) = 0   →   x∈{-3; 0; 3}

But when x=3, x² – 8x + 15 = 9 – 24 + 15 = 0

Which contradicts the initial assumption, so x=3 is extraneous.

Or

► x² – 8x + 15 = 1

   x² – 8x + 14 = (x – 4 – √2)(x – 4 + √2) = 0   →   x = 4 ± √2

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Since ∀a∈ℝ*, 0ª=0≠1, assuming x²–8x+15=0 is not a credible hypothesis.

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Lastly, we need to consider the case where x²–8x+15<0.

The only way so that:

   bª > 0

when b<0 is to have a to be an even integer.

Mise à jour 4:

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So we have to consider the possibility

   (-1)²ⁿ = 1

and solve

   x² – 8x + 15 = -1

   x² – 8x + 16 = 0

   (x – 4)² = 0

   x = 4

Then

   x³ – 9x = 4³ – 9×4 = 64 – 36 = 28

which is indeed even.

So x=4 is also a solution.

Thus the complete solution set:

   x∈{-3; 0; (4–√2); 4; (4+√2)}

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It is true that:

   Lim(x→3) (x²–8x+15)^(x³–9x) = 1

However

   x=3 is NOT a solution as 0º is undefined.

JUST LIKE

   Lim(x→3) (x–3)/(x–3) = 1

But

   x=3 is NOT a solution as any division by 0 is undefined.

Mise à jour 5:

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Congrats to

   ► Ray for seeing the tricky possibility (-1)²ⁿ=1

   ► D.W. and Minh for seeing the trap 0º

   ► Johan for the try.

:-)

4 réponses

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  • Ray
    Lv 6
    il y a 7 ans
    Réponse favorite

    Very interesting.

    (x^2 - 8x + 15)^(x^3 - 9·x) = 1

    (x^3 - 9·x) * LN(x^2 - 8x + 15) = 0

    So either (x^3 - 9x) = 0

    x(x^2 - 9) = 0

    x(x - 3)(x + 3) = 0 ... giving x = 0, x=3, x=-3 <<<<<<<<<<

    or

    LN(x^2 - 8x + 15) = 0

    x^2 - 8x + 15 = 1

    x^2 - 8x + 14 = 0

    giving by quadratic formula x = 4 - √2 or x = 4 + √2 <<<<<<<<<<<

    OR

    (x^2 - 8x + 15) = -1 and x^3 - 9x is an even integer

    So if (x^2 - 8x + 15) = -1

    x^2 - 8x + 16 = 0

    (x - 4)(x - 4) = 0 ... so x = 4

    which gives (x^2 - 8x + 15)^(x^3 - 9·x)

    = (4^2 - 32 + 15)^(4^3 - 36)

    = -1 ^ 28

    = 1 ... confirming that x = 4 is also a solution <<<<<<<<<<<

  • Johan
    Lv 5
    il y a 7 ans

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) = 1

    ==> (x³ – 9x) = 0 , or (x² – 8x + 15) = 1

    (x³ – 9x) = 0 :

    x(x+3)(x-3) = 0

    x = 0 , or x = -3, or x = 3

    (x² – 8x + 15) = 1 :

    x² – 8x + 16 = 2

    (x - 4)² = 2

    x-4 = √2 , or x-4 = -√2

    x = 4 + √2, or x = 4 - √2

    Checking each of these five found solutions:

    x = 0 :

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) =

    = (0² – 8*0 + 15)^(0³ – 9*0)

    = 15^0

    = 1

    checks out okay!

    x = -3 :

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) =

    = ((-3)² – 8(-3) + 15)^((-3)³ – 9(-3))

    = (9 + 24 + 15)^(-27 + 27)

    = 48^0

    = 1

    checks out okay!

    x = +3 :

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) =

    = (3² – 8*3 + 15)^(3³ – 9*3)

    = (9 - 24 + 15)^(27 - 27)

    = 0^0

    = 1

    checks out okay!

    (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Zero_t... )

    x = 4 + √2 :

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) =

    = [ (4+√2)² – 8(4+√2) + 15 ]^((4+√2)³ – 9(4+√2))

    = [ 18 + 8√2 - 32 - 8√2 + 15 ]^((4+√2)(18+8√2-9))

    = [1]^((4+√2)(9+8√2))

    = [1]^(36+9√2+32√2+16)

    = [1]^(52 + 41√2)

    = 1

    checks out okay!

    x = 4 - √2 :

    (x² – 8x + 15)^(x³ – 9x) =

    = [ (4-√2)² – 8(4-√2) + 15 ]^((4-√2)³ – 9(4-√2))

    = [ 18 - 8√2 - 32 + 8√2 + 15 ]^((4-√2)(18-8√2-9))

    = [1]^((4-√2)(9-8√2))

    = [1]^(36-9√2-32√2+16)

    = [1]^(52 - 41√2)

    = 1

    checks out okay!

    So the solutions set is: {0, -3, +3, 4-√2, 4+√2}

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    EDIT: Ouch! After seeing Ray's reply, I see that I missed one solution. Well done, Ray!

    By the way, here are the (real-valued) solutions according to Wolfram Alpha:

    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ln%28%28x^2+%...

  • ?
    Lv 7
    il y a 7 ans

    x³-9x = 0

    x(x+3)(x-3) = 0

    x = 0, 3, -3

    3²-8·3+15 = 0, so x=0 is an extraneous solution.

    x = 0, -3

  • Yo
    Lv 4
    il y a 7 ans

    interesting problem.

    ( (x-3) (x-5) )^( x (x - 3) (x + 3) ) = 1

    certainly x = 0 and -3 will work,

    let (x-3) (x-5) = 1

    then x = 4 +/- sqrt(2)

    all I have so for is 0, -3, and 4 +/- sqrt(2). Quite honestly, I'm not sure if there is more

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