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What is the weight of the space tourist?
What is the weight of the space tourist?
This is a follow on question from two other questions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ask8g...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Au0v_...
A 100kg space tourist is in a space station that orbits the earth 200 km above the surface of the earth.
The space station is generally shaped as a cylinder with a radius of 30 m. It rotates about its axis once every minute.
A spring scales is placed on the inside surface of the space station wall. The tourist steps onto the scales. What is his weight? What is the reading on the scales?
His first night he falls out of his bunk bed that is 10 m above the "floor." How long does it take for him to hit the floor?
I was considering to ask that bonus question, but I thought there were enough questions already. I get 8.31 m from the base of the bed and in the opposite direction from the spin of the station.
Well spotted, Track. What's your take on weight in this situation?
(The 2's don't cancel.)
I was about to say: If the man goes 8.61 meters against the rotation, what does that do to ω? I think the coriolis force does effect the drop time.
I'm all for using tricks when they help. With this question the use centrifugal force and coriolis force led to a lot of errors. The inertial reference frame led to the easiest and most reliable solutions.
Depending on one's perspective the weight might be the centrifugal force, it might be zero but as the inertial frame led to the easier answer I like w = mg(R/(R+200))^2 = 922N, where R is the radius of the earth.
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- il y a 1 décennieRéponse favorite
I get 8.31 m, too. x = r * [(√(2rh-h^2))/(r-h) - acos((r-h)/r)]
For derivation, see: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ask8g...
Here is my drawing: http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Remo_Avir...
As for time:
t= d/v
d = √(2rh-h^2) ... This is the distance traveled in the non-rotating frame of reference.
v = (r-h)ω
t= √((2rh-h^2)/(r-h)ω
ω = 2π rads/min
t = √(2rh-h^2)/(r-h) *1/(2π rads/min)
===> t = 10.676 sec
*Track has the correct equation:
t= √(2rh-h^2)/(r-h) *1/(2π rads/min)
t = √(500)/(20) *1/(2π rads/min) .... Track is correct up to here
t = √(500)/(40π) min
t = √(500)* 3/2π sec = 10.676 sec
He just lost something in the final step.
- Anonymeil y a 1 décennie
The system as a whole is in freefall about the earth, so you can neglect all that so long as the station is sufficiently small that you don't have significant tidal effects.
So the weight is simply centrifugal force:
F = m omega^2 r = m (2 pi / T)^2 r
You have the mass, radius, and period. Plugnchug. Then do it again for the smaller radius.
For the next part, you can neglect the coriolis force on the falling man, since it doesn't really affect his drop time. So just assume he falls straight down with acceleration:
d^2 r / dt^2 = omega^2 r
The solution to the differential equation is:
r(t) = A exp (omega t) + B exp (- omega t)
Use the initial position and velocity to find A and B
r(0) = A + B = radius of bunk
r'(0) = omegaA - omega B = 0
So clearly A = B = 1/2 radius of bunk
r(t) = radius of bunk * cosh (omega t)
So the time to fall is:
t = arc cosh (radius of wall / radius of bunk) / omega
BONUS FUN QUESTION for those who don't want to neglect coriolis forces:
Where does he land?
EDIT--roz, much better now. ;)
Track, yeah, you're right. It's a second order effect, but the h/R ratio is such that it's going to show up. The exponential solutions are only correct to first order (ie, h<<R). When I re-did the problem to figure out generally where and when he lands, I ended up doing it your way. Are your numbers off by a factor of four in the last step? If you fix that, the answer above me (pretty much a duplicate of mine) is only off by about 15%. If the bed weren't quite so high, you'd see very good agreement.
----The tourist's weight is straightforward in this case (simply stepping on the scale) because it's just the centrifugal force. Coriolis only contributes when he's moving. His weight when he IS moving is slightly interesting, which is why I wrote the problem that Remo linked (but I can't).
- Anonymeil y a 1 décennie
** His first night he falls out of his bunk bed
** that is 10 m above the "floor."
** How long does it take for him to hit the floor?
Bekki:
**** You can neglect the coriolis
**** force on the falling man, since it doesn't really
**** affect his drop time.
Wrong. Coriolis force DOES afffect drop time, very significantly. Correct equations in rotating frame of reference is
d²R/dt² = Ω² R + 2Ω x R dÏ/dt
1/m d[Momentum]/dt = d[R dÏ/dt]/dt = -2ΩR dR/dt
Initially, of course, dÏ/dt = 0, but immedetly after that the man gains radial speed dR/dt, and Coriolis force -2Ω x dR/dt begins to deflect the fall from vertical, and the man gains velocity in tangential direction, and this velocity R dÏ/dt in turn creates coriolis force in RADIAL direction, slowing down the fall. According to your equation the man falls exponetially. Can you belive that yourself?
The correct and easy solution is simply use non-rotating frame of reference:
the tourist detaches from the bed with velocity
Ω Ro = 2Ï/T * 20m
and must travel the distance to outer cylinder
â30²-20² = â500 m
and it takes time
â500 / (2Ï/T * 20) = â5/Ï T = â5/Ï minutes
- rozeta53Lv 6il y a 1 décennie
R=30 m
T=60 s
What is the weight of the space tourist?
F=ma=mϲR, where Ï=Ï/30 rad/s (if we neglect the height of the scales).
F=100*30*(Ï/30)²=32.90 N
The reading on the scales is F/g=32.90/9.81=3.35 kg
How long does it take for him to hit the floor?
t=[arccosh(1.5)]/Ï=
Edit:
a=ϲr, where r=0 is at the axis of the cylinder
r"=ϲr, r"-ϲr=0
k²-ϲ=0 ==> k=Â±Ï ==>
r=Ae^(Ït)+Be^(-Ït)
r(0)=20 ==> A+B=20 ..... (1)
r'(0)=0 ==> Ï(A-B)=0 .....(2)
From (1) and (2) ==>
A=B=10
r=10[e^(Ït)+e^(-Ït)]=20*cosh(Ït) ==>
t=[arccosh(r/20)]/Ï
r=30 m ==> t=9.19 s
- il y a 1 décennie
l believe that when in outer space...the tourist becomes "weightless".
Like Astronauts and that!!!
Almost like floating in a swimming pool...the water supports your body and you are free to move.